ADAM - QUESTIONABLE DECISIONS?

Firecracker wrote:

Jaycee - I love you and wish you posted more often :D

That is exactly what I think also. I do not understand why some are so quick to believe the worst when it comes to Adam He may not be perfect but he is not a bad person.

Just catching up here, we've been gone all day. Jaycee, FC..........love your posts. So far, I've read nothing upsetting. I haven't seen any videos yet.

Thanks Sky!

I think what bothers me the most is people believing right away all the Tweets etc. that are so over the top making things sound SO BAD!!! And then of course as vids come out and more people who were there post it is never like those OTT Tweets. I just wish more would give him the benefit of the doubt when things like that get put out. There have been so many Tweets that are complete bunk.

If I don't see video proof - it's only hearsay.

The whole "crotch thing" was nothing like early Tweets and recaps. Even many at IDF who didn't care either way are all "WTF" about what was said by certain recappers.

The mic thing - Well, the guy fixing his pac said "I don't want to put it in too far" so of course Adam made a joke of it. Lord that is SOOOO what my hubby would have said! He (and I honestly) have a pretty wicked sense of humor. Even my hubby would have laughed out loud at that. It is not like the guy was just standing there and Adam started in on a whole dirty routine. Watching the video of that completely changes from what would be in one's mind based on the Tweets.

I suppose for me it's just that anybody who sat and watched all of Adam's pre-idol stuff, who saw all the pix of him at the gay clubs, the way he "dressed-up" and his close friends "dressed-up", all the pix of him making out with guys all over the internet - well, I just don't see how what Adam does shocks anybody. From Top 24 on this is pretty much exactly what I knew he would be like.

Yes, he was tamer on Idol - because he had no choice. But he stilled pushed the envelope as much as he was allowed.

This is who Adam is and this is probably how he is going to be.

As far as making out with someone at a club (still hearsay unless there are pix or vids) well, he is a young single man. How is this something upsetting?

Well, maybe not smart to get drunk the night before a gig - but he was there on time and from the reports sang amazing. So maybe he just wasn't all that shit-faced the night before.

I can only say again, what this man does in his off time is completely his own thing and has no bearing on my fandom unless he truly commits a criminal act or hurts somebody (or a kitten or puppy) . That's just the way it is for me.

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I can only say again, what this man does in his off time is completely his own thing and has no bearing on my fandom unless he truly commits a criminal act or hurts somebody (or a kitten or puppy) . That's just the way it is for me.

...and that's fine but what if starts to carry into his professional life? How would you feel then? He just doesn't seem to know when to draw a line sometimes and that is worrisome to me. Anyhow, that's just me.

None of my opinions have changed. I've said it before, this kind of concert isn't one I'd be interested in seeing because I'm just not comfortable with the sexual vibe of it. Give me something like AOL Sessions or how the VH1 show seems to have been. That's my comfort level. I can't do anything to change that. You're looking at a person here who couldn't sit through Clay and Angela performing WDC. It's just not going to happen. As much as I believe in Adam's talent, I just can't sit through something that would make me uncomfortable, not again. Been there. Done that.

And I completely understand that this is how it is for you.

What bothers me is people (and I am not talking you I am just saying in general because I do see this happening other places) putting it on Adam that he is this bad person because it bothers them or makes them uncomfortable or is not something they would do. Since they do like it HE is bad. He is low class. He is disgraceful etc. etc. They put their ideas of how a person should behave on him.

Clearly there are a zillion people in the world who like sexual content - or porn wouldn't be so huge Anyway, point being for everyone who hates things Adam does there are many who love it. My friend and I hated Richard Pryor's stand-up but millions loved it. Just because it wasn't my thing didn't make Richard or those who liked it wrong. Just different.

I just do not believe in putting what I consider is the right way for me to live my life on others. I don't think because something is uncomfortable for me that someone else needs to stop doing what is comfortable for them. I have the choice to leave rather than try to make someone change to be what is comfortable for me.

Adam needs to be what is comfortable for him. What makes him happy as a performer. If he loses fans and his career suffers for it - well, that was his choice. I really think he is smart enough to know he is not going to be everyones cuppa. I think he knew that from the get-go. He is clearly not interested in being family friendly. Perhaps being mainstream is not his top priority. We wish it were - but maybe it's not. Will his career suffer for not being family friendly? Maybe or maybe not. Britney and Madonna and many others haven't suffered for it. Most rockers were not family friendly. Man could I write of list of shows I've seen in my life I saw Rod Stewart with Faces when I was 16 and he lined the stage with bottles and bottles of whiskey and told all of us to come down and get a bottle. Lots of kids did. Now that was some crazy right there - and a lot more dangerous to the young fans than any sexual joking.

Do I worry about how he lives and what he does effecting his career? Of course I do. He is hugely talented and I want a long and wonderful life and career for him. But there is not one single thing I can do about how he lives his private life. If I were his mom I might smack him in the head. But I am not. So yes, I'll worry. But I will not judge.

I watched all the videos, the music was great his looks too ghoulish.

I just wish Adam woudn't be so sexualy aroused every time he performs, I guess he just can't control himself.

I think NY brings the Jekyl out of him, like he said yesterday at the taping sorry that he was unfiltered he left his filter in LA.

Said that is time to move on and hope for the best or worse whatever comes first.

Firecracker wrote:

Thanks Sky!

I think what bothers me the most is people believing right away all the Tweets etc. that are so over the top making things sound SO BAD!!! And then of course as vids come out and more people who were there post it is never like those OTT Tweets. I just wish more would give him the benefit of the doubt when things like that get put out. There have been so many Tweets that are complete bunk.

If I don't see video proof - it's only hearsay.

The whole "crotch thing" was nothing like early Tweets and recaps. Even many at IDF who didn't care either way are all "WTF" about what was said by certain recappers.

The mic thing - Well, the guy fixing his pac said "I don't want to put it in too far" so of course Adam made a joke of it. Lord that is SOOOO what my hubby would have said! He (and I honestly) have a pretty wicked sense of humor. Even my hubby would have laughed out loud at that. It is not like the guy was just standing there and Adam started in on a whole dirty routine. Watching the video of that completely changes from what would be in one's mind based on the Tweets.

I suppose for me it's just that anybody who sat and watched all of Adam's pre-idol stuff, who saw all the pix of him at the gay clubs, the way he "dressed-up" and his close friends "dressed-up", all the pix of him making out with guys all over the internet - well, I just don't see how what Adam does shocks anybody. From Top 24 on this is pretty much exactly what I knew he would be like.

Yes, he was tamer on Idol - because he had no choice. But he stilled pushed the envelope as much as he was allowed.

This is who Adam is and this is probably how he is going to be.

As far as making out with someone at a club (still hearsay unless there are pix or vids) well, he is a young single man. How is this something upsetting?

Well, maybe not smart to get drunk the night before a gig - but he was there on time and from the reports sang amazing. So maybe he just wasn't all that shit-faced the night before.

I can only say again, what this man does in his off time is completely his own thing and has no bearing on my fandom unless he truly commits a criminal act or hurts somebody (or a kitten or puppy) . That's just the way it is for me.

Thank you FC........

I'm surprised I'm in this thread...........I will not be reading or posting much in the Adam threads for the very reason of all the rumors being brought here without being substantiated first. Everyone seems so quick to believe everything they read. I quit going to some boards because of the rumors and feel they just start circulating to all the boards and then get elaborated more upon.

Don't get me wrong, EVERYONE has the right to have their opinion and to state their opinion and feel the freedom to be able to do that. As long as Adam entertains me, I'm a happy camper, I don't need to know what he does in his private life.

Yeah something comes over him in NYC. He seems to be aware of it so hopefully he'll be more mindful of it in the future. Apparently the guy he made out with in the bar was tweeting with PH about it so that will serve as a reminder to Adam he has to be careful of the company he keeps. He's been very fortunate until now with people keeping quiet.

FY, I'm not sure what he can do about being aroused like that other than wear things that aren't so revealing or longer jackets, shirts that cover it up. Then again, I don't think he probably cares.

You know, I think it is okay to not be able to appreciate everything. When idol was over I was concerned that Adam might come out with a CD of music that I wouldn't enjoy. I would have felt bad about that but it didn't happen; I truly like/love every song. I went to the AI tour and knowing what was coming from video's, I closed my eyes in a couple spots (I know I am crazy) because it embarrassed me. Now I am going to be going to the Casino concert in a couple weeks and I might find myself sitting with my eyes closed and just enjoying the voice now and then but that's okay.

Adam is young and a great many of the young today have a much more open and casual attitude about sex and the things they say then I ever did. My parents I am sure felt the same about my generation. It is an adjustment but I don't find myself being as shocked anymore about things. I don't really appreciate people trying to be shocking but when it just comes out naturally, I seem to be able to handle it better.

Cool Jaycee! How exciting you are going to the show!! I hope you have a blast!!

I think you have a very healthy attitude when it comes to Adam! How awesome!

Sky - I will be absolutely heartbroken if you stop posting in Adam's threads :( Seriously, please reconsider...

I won't ask that people don't bring info here - but I would hope that judgment be withheld until all the facts (and videos) are in. That would be only fair to Adam.

Jaycee you're going to INDIO?????

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just put in my request at work for that weekend off.

teddyhugz wrote:

Jaycee you're going to INDIO?????

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just put in my request at work for that weekend off.

I was sure that you had to be going. I am getting very excited!!

Yes only two weeks away! It's going to be a blast.

Wow it's been a while since I used this thread. I just thought I'd voice my opinion on the video pictures here rather than spoil everyone's love of them in the picture thread. Adam looks gorgeous. My disappointment is that once again, he's wearing pants that flaunt himself. He obviously doesn't care, but it does take focus off his performance and overall look. There are even comments about it on one of the sites where the pictures are. I know there are times where he can't help it but he surely could wear clothing more appropriate knowing this. It's just really disappointing to me that he doesn't seem to care that people oggle him. It does make me very sad.

I understand your point. But I have a feeling he likes being oggled just like starlets who wear real low-cut dresses and flaunt their boobies Some need to because they don't have talent (I'm looking at you Pam Anderson) and some don't need to but still do.

Adam is so gorgeous and so talented that he sure doesn't need to flaunt anything. Yet he does so I am guessing he likes to.

His choices come from a very different perspective than ours do.

Oh I have no doubt he has a totally different perspective. He has shown that from his earlier performances until now. He's not going to change nor will I. I just need to focus on the voice and the awesome person he is.

Exactly! Voice, awesome songs, awesome performances, awesome looks, awesome man.

Nothing any of us can do about his wardrobe or hair choices. Lord if I could hide every rhinestone from him I would!

All I want is for the world to know what an incredible talent Adam is. I hope he will not do anything to detract from that in the public's eye.

WORD!

Spirit wrote:

All I want is for the world to know what an incredible talent Adam is. I hope he will not do anything to detract from that in the public's eye.

ITA .......... while I doubt he will ever admit it, I do believe that Adam learned a lot from the AMA disaster.

So do I! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he shed a few tears over that. I think that performance will haunt him for a long time.

Firecracker wrote:

So do I! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he shed a few tears over that. I think that performance will haunt him for a long time.

That is for sure he even said in one interview that after the AMA he was feeling really down.

Yep I think more than his knees were bruised.

Poor BB.... But at least he learned from it. Some never do. He is a smart cookie!

Firecracker wrote:

Poor BB.... But at least he learned from it. Some never do. He is a smart cookie!

Exactly. And he did a tricky thing. He never apologized because he didn't think he did anything wrong, but at the same time, he corrected his performance behaviors cause he was smart enough to see the AMA image wasn't going to take him far. That was a scary time. I didn't know which way his career was going to go.

I truly believed he learned a valuable lesson. I'm sure he was bruised and beaten.